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Altarr Orkot
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Posted - 2012.06.09 01:50:00 -
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Fascists gonna fasc... ist... No surprises here.
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Altarr Orkot
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Posted - 2012.06.09 01:58:00 -
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Malcolm Khross wrote:We've had this discussion before Orkot, you do yourself and everyone who fights alongside you a disservice by continuing to try and label us this way.
Try? You literally just joined the Protectorate. I don't need to try anymore. |

Altarr Orkot
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Posted - 2012.06.09 02:47:00 -
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Ilsenae Alexandros wrote:Joining the Protectorate automatically changes a person's political alignment and beliefs to fascism? Sansha ought to be taking notes.
Umm, what? You were clearly already highly sympathetic to the Provist cause if you joined the Protectorate, but now you get a branded pair of jackboots to wear! Stylish!
Malcolm Khross wrote: You're starting to sound like a number of other blind zealots that frequent these forums, Orkot. We have made our intentions in this capacity very clear. I fail to see how defending our home nation from foreign occupancy is fascist in any way. Furthermore, I fail to see how simply joining a militia force makes someone a fascist.
Please try and consider carefully that not everyone is painted with the same broad strokes.
You both seem to misunderstand, you weren't somehow magically transformed when you signed the dotted line; all it did was confirm that you guys are happy to support and fight for the current regime, its fascist policies and war of aggression.
If that's what you support, then I've been advised to wish you all the best in your current and future endeavors. Please also send my warm regards to all the pilots of -WHG- . Good luck Mr. Khross.
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Altarr Orkot
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Posted - 2012.06.10 07:13:00 -
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Karmilla Strife wrote: As for all the naysayers. Even a foreigner like myself knows the difference between a Patriot and Provist. That said I rather enjoy adding fascist to my collection of epithets. Mr. Khross and my comrades remain ever so stubbornly Caldari it's quite refreshing actually. I look forward to an exciting future.
And by joining Heth's paramilitary forces you demonstrated that you are... Wait for it... Provists! It's really not that hard. |

Altarr Orkot
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Posted - 2012.06.10 11:49:00 -
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Malcolm Khross wrote: I really did give you too much intellectual credit.
Ow my feelings.
Quote: If you honestly can't distinguish between those seeking to defend their home and their people and blood-thirsty supremacy conquerors, then I would urge you to ask your alliance directors if you can operate as a liaison with WHG. You will no doubt have nothing positive to say regarding WHG unless it is absolutely true, and even then, begrudgingly. This would give you every opportunity to examine our in space and out of space activities as well as our discussions and see if they remain consistent.
If you wanted to "defend your home" I'm sure the Peace Corps would have been glad to accept a capsuleer, maybe you could even get a commission with CalNav. And if you did I would accept any claims you made about not being a Provist and fascist attack dog; well if they let you post on the IGS of course. Instead you chose to join Heth's personal army. |

Altarr Orkot
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Posted - 2012.06.11 01:03:00 -
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Dex Nederland wrote:Please explain how the State Protectorate is "Heth's personal army," while the WPC and CN are considered free from the KK CEO's influence? What piece of information, other than Federal capsuleer propaganda, makes you believe this to be true? The CONCORD Emergency Militia War Powers Act, established the State Protectorate as a capsuleer auxiliary of the Caldari Navy. [ 1] The State Protectorate does not equate to the Caldari Providence Directorate. The State Protectorate is the CONCORD established mechanism by which capsuleers can defend the Caldari State and its megacorporations. Would you prefer that WHG resort to "acts of piracy" in order to protect Black Rise and Wirykomi's property from Federal pillaging?
Well as you have been so insistent to tell me in the past, Mr. Heth is only the CEO of KK. Please tell me why would he have any influence in the actions of the Peace Corps or CalNav?
And of course the CPD aren't the same as StatePro, I didn't say they were? But the CPD isn't a military force, StatePro is. And what does StatePro do? Fights a war of conquest for... Tibus Heth! They did after all conquer all that space which Tibus Heth sold off.
Like I said, CalNav and the Peace Corps are legitimate organisations that for the most part don't participate in offensive actions (baring perhaps ground assaults by the Peace Corps). The only choices are not StatePro or piracy, there exist other choices which would have allowed him to 'protect'.
But the choice he made was to join the Protectorate; the Protectorate which has been fighting to conquer space for years now. That's what it does, and why it continues to exist. Do they protect things? Sure, but so do other organisations that aren't committed to invading places. When you join StatePro you demonstrate support for Heth and his war. If he didn't agree with that, he didn't have to join, but he did.
Malcolm Khross wrote:Emphasis mine because it's a bold-faced lie. You have constantly and consistently accused me of being a Provist from the very first post you ever made to me. You have refused to listen to any argument to the contrary and have chosen to instead continue to label me exactly as you please, do not feed me with such falsity. Well let's be fair here, you've joined StatePro, what exactly are we supposed to believe? Trust me I'm open to changing my mind, but you aren't changing it by joining the militia.
Desiderya wrote:PS: My goodness, Orkot-haan, is it this time of the month again? That's quite sexist and demeaning to women. |

Altarr Orkot
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Posted - 2012.06.11 05:29:00 -
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Dex Nederland wrote:You labelled the State Protectorate as "Heth's personal army," a term often leveled at the CPD. You also accuse those in the Protectorate of being "Provist." Provist refers to members of the CPD. I am not sure if you recognize a difference.
The State Protectorate was founded under the same CONCORD act that created the Federal Defense Union, Tribal Liberation Force, and 24th Imperial Crusade.
The space was occupied by Caldari capsuleers and the development and exploration rights of the space was auctioned off to the megacorporations. Would you prefer that the State Protectorate and Caldari Navy have the responsibility of administering dozens of systems when they are occupied? They tend not to manage civil affairs very well. You've said nothing that doesn't show that StatePro isn't just fighting Heth's war of conquest. In fact you said it yourself, they occupied the systems, and then Heth sold them off. Which is what I said, so we're in agreement I think?
That's true enough, but really CalNav was operating in a protective posture in Ost, they weren't assaulting the system. So they weren't really conducing offensive operations were they?
Quote: What CONCORD-sanctioned mechanism for the defense of Black Rise would allow WHG to engage Federation invaders in Black Rise outside of the CONCORD Militia Act sanctioned organizations or "piracy" against Federal pilots in Black Rise?
Like I keep saying he could have joined the Peace Corps, he could have joined CalNav, heck he could have just wardecced the FDU corps operating in Black Rise. So um yeah, plenty of options really.
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